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« on: May 10, 2008, 08:36:12 AM »

 I caught this blue last night in the dark. I noticed it was rattling when I lifted it into the boat. I got the flashlight out and to my surprize there was a crank bait attached to the fish. There was a bass tounrey going on last night and from the looks of the hooks .....somebody was talking about the big one that got away at the weigh in...lol. I use to catch alot of blue at santee when I was kid trolling for bass. My biggest was a 19lber but my late grandpaw caught a 36lber one time trolling. What amazed me with this catch was the fact this is a top or shallow water running crank bait. Im glad I didnt reach down and grab this fish like I normally do in the water behind the gills. Notice where the line was cut at on the fish too. The back side of that fin has cut alot of lines over the years. I had this problem last year using 30lb test leaders. I stepped up to 50lb test after I figured out what was going on and they will work on it but i havent lost anymore fish. Last year I lost 5 in one night to this. I talked to one of the fellow members klast night before I cuaght this fish and he had lost a nice fish a week ago to this I believe. Here is the picture

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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2008, 09:21:56 AM »

 cheesy LOL you don't have to buy another lure for when you go bassing for bait.....
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2008, 11:04:00 AM »

I had the same problem with the 30 lb test at times, I went to 40 and I think I've only had it happen once since. That ole saw blade on that planner fin can put a hurting on your finger too..... 2cry Yeah , I bet someone was saying " I had the tourney won if I would have landed the one that broke my line" ..... grin
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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2008, 02:38:00 PM »

Thats Kool thats one way to collect some lures and yep thats why I use 50 or 80lb test for my leaders I even have some 100lb test now  smiley
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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2008, 09:00:34 AM »

Last week I caught a 8lb flathead with a treble hook in it's mouth, along with a steel leader. How someone could break thier line ona 8lb flat is beyond me.
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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2008, 03:48:50 PM »

it probably wrapped around a stump before they knew it was on there  2wink
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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2008, 04:41:31 PM »

 I caught a flathead last year that had tomahwks hook in its mouth. 2wink Thats a true story too. It can happen when you fishing in tight struture. I caught one several years ago that my dad broke off and 20 minutes later I put that one in the boat too. I know this because I gave him his hook and power pro leader back to him. He even hung that fish up for 10-15 minutes before he decied to break it off. I got one running around with my hook in its mouth too but it wasnt no 8lber! From what I can tell ...If they feeding then they are feeding when it comes to flatheads. Knowing what i know about Tomahawks fishing spost that might of been someone trying to snag flatheads with a trible hook. I heard reports where they snag them before in that area and 90% of them are hooked in the mouth. That was the report I heard. I dont know how they could hook them in the mouth so often but they knew something for sure.
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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2008, 04:15:52 PM »

I always had a problem with my leaders snapping with just real light pressure ... about 5 lbs or so when I was using 3-way swivels and when I quit using the 3-way swivels it quit happening ... I kept going up in line size until i got to 50 lb test and thought that something's wrong with this picture ... ain't no way I should be breaking 50 lb test with just 5 to 10 lbs pressure on my line and I noticed that my 50 lb test had nicks all in it and then I tied up differently using a dropper loop with a long dropper loop instead of the three way swivel and then there was no way I could break the leaders and they quit getting nicked up ... even the drop to the sinker had nicks in it so after I quit using the 3-way swivels I have never lost any more fish like that ... I don't think the fins can cut the line but the line can cut the line when it wraps around your mainline or gets tangled up in a knot like can happen with a standard carolina rig and float on the leader ... the fish can hit it and go around the mainline in a way that the mainline will rub hard against the leader and cut right through it like a hot knife through butter when the mainline slides down the leader in one spot fast and with good pressure against the leader. I especially don't think that the bluecat fin is sharp enough when they get older cause the older they get the duller their fins get ... just my observation though ... maybe those ohio bluecat get them a rock and sharp their fins up ... hehehe .. just kiddin. one thing is for sure though ... when ya lose a big fish to leaders getting cut it always makes ya wonder what in the world and then ya start to over analyze the situation and start theorizing about there must be a diver down there cutting my line ... someone needs to shoot that rascal next time he comes up for air.

I almost forgot what I was gonna post when I read those posts about line cutting ... anyhow ... that's one of my rigs on the rare occasion that I drift fish ... I'll use crankbaits rigged up as carolina rigs with the front hook tipped with a small sliver of shad fillet ... the fluttering action seems to get bites when the standard drift rig and baited hook won't get hit ... small white crankbait on one and small ... well medium sized crank baits with oversized trebles on them ... one white one and one shad colored bomber type medium diver drifted at about .2 to .4 mph tipped with shad fillet ... caught lots of fish on them but the crankbaits usually get the paint scuffed pretty badly on them ... I also use a bass colored one and fire tiger sometimes but the white and shad colored ones seem to work best.
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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2008, 05:01:09 PM »

 Thanks for the info Tiny. It will cut it though if you put enough preasure on the fish. I watched a 40lber swim back to the bottom a few years ago beside the boat that was wrapped behind that fin. She cut right in front of my eyes.
 I was loosing fish on the hook set that I know was blues. I know they was rolling on the hook set because I could feel it in the rod. I just figured they was rolling up in the line and cutting the leader on the back of that fin. They was always cut about 6-8" above the hook on mine when I anchored in no current. I never had this problem drifting and I figured it was because the line was so tight on the drift they couldnt roll as easy. I never use a three way myself. Either way I lost enough with 30 lb test leader line that I wont go back to it...lol.
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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2008, 05:32:28 PM »

Believe it or not, I actually crankbait for flatheads on the lake that Tiny fishes. Never have caught a blue which is the main catfish in lake Keystone.

What I do is use the largest billed bait I can find and trolling motor over gravel/mud points in the daytime. The bait needs to go down at least 15 Ft. and dig into the bottom. No rod holder here, you better have a good hold on that rod.

As the bait jumps around and stirs up mud and such, I think that the fish think it is a crawdad spurting away. Bronze or copper color with a rattle a plus.

I told WVBowhunter this once and I think he thinks I am nuts, which is true. He's a pretty good judge of character.
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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2008, 04:53:45 PM »

I caught a couple two summers ago fishing in Town Creek.  There's a big grass bed where two creeks join and I was fishing the outside edge with a deep diving crank and caught an 8lber and a 4.5lber within about 5 casts of each other.  Only catfish I've ever caught on anything other than plastic worms.  They both inhaled the bait too, I certainly didn't snag them, they wanted to eat it.  I still think it was pretty darn cool!
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« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2008, 01:10:21 PM »

I've caught a few channels on shad raps on the potomac and shenandoah, there is always a muskie fisherman or two that picks up a big flathead either early in the year or very late at Burnsville Lake,,but the dangdest thing I was ever involved in was a buddy pulling in a trotline he left over the winter on a lake in OK...a 28lb blue hit an empty stainless steel hook as it rose thru the water  grin it dropped my buddy to his knees while he hung on then we landed it all the while laughing our butts off.
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« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2008, 01:35:19 PM »

ive heard of people doing a lot of snagging, from what i understand, there are 2 ways to snag cats, one way is a large silver hook, for some reason they bite it, there was actually a big debate on a possible state record over this type of snagging even tho they are hooked in the mouth, i cant remember what state but i read an article or something on it, another way is large lead jigs, you can take that large lead jig and cast it out below dams and let it roll downstream and the fish think it is a mussel and pick it up, one guy told me that this worked really well and he had caught a lot of good fish below jordan dam
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