dont know when this post was started but we have been catching them on light to ultra light gear for a good while here anyhow are bait has been liver and deer meat seems to work just fine so far and they all swim away with a blazing fury like always not one has turned belly up yet i know up what north star is saying but we havent had a bad winter for the water to be that cold here where he is the water might sill be frozen and that would prolly stress a fish :grin:  :grin:  8)