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« on: October 10, 2007, 02:30:32 PM » |
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I would love to see what big fish look like on your finders. Anyone want to share. Thanks.
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WVBowhunter
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« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2007, 03:12:57 PM » |
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Big fish are relative and thats the way fishfinder companies treat them, some consider a 18 inch bass a big fish others that may be 24 inches....and that just covers the little fishy symbols, then we throw in saltwater where they may be 5 to 10 times bigger,,,,wouldnt it be nice if we could "set" the big fish symbols and alarms to a size we consider big.
Next you go into arches,,,, a perfect arch is a fish that passes directly thru the middle of your transducers cone,,,and of course you transducer needs to mounted correctly to acheive this. Then some fish produce better returns because the have big scales over fish that have skin, but what about the fish on the fringes of your cone that have reduced returns.
I have watched in awe at the dramatic improvements of fish finders in the past 10 years and cant wait to see what all happens in the next. I have a degree in electronics and a background with radar and communications, so this isnt all smoke and mirrors to me, but I'm guessing you want to know what to look for in finding a big ole cat. Doc has a reply on here somewhere where is uses the double bounce method to make those bottom huggin fish show up---its a real interesting concept and does work...then you'll read about Phil King as he finds suspended blues in his waters and how he drifts bait thru them. It is sometimes frustrating as heck to figgure out what your looking at especially when the fish ain't cooperating which sometimes seems like most of the time. For me I like to target the lone fish glued to the bottom and may pass over him several times trying to get a fix on him before fishing for him.
What IMO you want to look for in a fishfinder is the most wattage (output pwr) and largest screen you can afford. The power is just like illuminating something with a flashlight vs a spotlight. Next is your cone angle---60 degrees generally works best for catfishermen and it gives you a one to one perspective looking down 50 ft the area on your screen represents a cone of 50 ft across,,now if you have a screen that is 5 inches across each inch of that screen will represent 10ft, so a super trophy cat that may be 60 inches (5ft) will have an arch of just 1/2 inch---if it happens to be in the middle of your screen.....and on the bottom....a suspended 60 inch fish at 25 ft will have an arch of 1 inch.
Are we having fun yet? time for two aspirins or a bottle of jack if ya want to go further :lol:
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SuperDave
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« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2007, 03:32:03 PM » |
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I normally dont look for fish with my finder,I look for nice structure,and the fish seem to follow. :grin:
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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2007, 03:36:04 PM » |
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Yeah, thats what I wanted so depending on your unit and depth and screen size and type of fish their are to many varibles I'll just have to figure out my own unit on my own and get comfortable with the size fish Im chasing.
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WVBowhunter
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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2007, 04:42:08 PM » |
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lol know not really,,,I'm trying to help so you can understand your variables and help you to find fish and target them. So play with one aspect at a time and learn that,,,theres nothing wrong with planting a 30 inch cat on the bottom with an anchor and float then crossing over him and play with your electronics, try using the same settings that you like say at 10ft then move over and plant him at 30 ft. Next you can play around with water clarity, and temperature, and see how your settings work with those changes. Ask guys that fish with me, I sometimes tinker around with things for half the fishing trip before I have something I like, and dont forget how to go back to default factory settings,,,sometimes those are very very good---those guys are the experts and generally are in the ball park for most conditions.
Finding the structure like Dave says will get you the possiblity of catching a fish,,,but some structure doesnt always jump out to you unless you have side imagining. So learning your unit and finding structure will up your odds just a little more.
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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2007, 12:45:39 PM » |
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thanks , ill try that fish trick i didnt even think about that .
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catfishrus
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2007, 12:55:32 PM » |
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i dont know how true it is but i have been told that 50lb fish will make the same arch as a 15lb fish depending on how you cross over him on the graph. i tend to disagree in some ways with this myself. i have marked 1/2" thick arches at tillery and they will be just stacked and im not the only one thats seen the fish im referring too but they wont bite cut bait in the winter for nothing...lol. i tried live bait on them and they will hit but they are gar! hard skin makes a nice arch. :wink: and big ones too. :lol:
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SuperDave
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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2007, 01:23:28 PM » |
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I still dont have a clue how to really get the most out of my finder.I pretty much stay on the same screen all the time. :oops:
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2007, 05:27:36 PM » |
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I do the same as you Dave. I have gotten to the point now that I don't even look at the arches most of the time and focus on the bottom. It is encouraging to see nice big arches and clouds of baitfish tho.
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cataholic
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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2007, 04:37:09 PM » |
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I "road hunt" for fish every trip.lol Thats what my wife calls it. She says that its cheating. Riding around till I mark large fish then catching them. I rarely ever blind fish. If I don't mark a large fish in a hole I don't fish it unless there's a lot of structure and the bait is deep. I have found that any large (over 30lb) fish will have a "gray center" in the arch on both my Lowrance's. I run one FF with the sensitivity around 60 so I only see large fish and the other on 70-80 which eliminates clutter and I can see bait and stacked fish. If I mark a large fish and they are in the proper location relative to structure or humps (in a feeding position) 80% of the time I catch them.
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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2007, 12:18:19 PM » |
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I look for "Catfish Water" that is water with drop offs and structure I have caught most of my biggest fish with out a single arch on the screen, I set the hole and let the current do the rest. I always work a hole before I set it up so I can find the best position for the boat.
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« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2007, 02:50:09 AM » |
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Ya gotta remember, too, that the arch you're seeing (when you mark a fish) could be ANYWHERE in area covered by the cone of your transducer. If you mark a fish "on the bottom" in 50 feet of water, it just may not be right under your boat. It could be suspended off to the side of the boat a certain distance.
I'm not even going to bother to deal with the math...
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« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2007, 04:13:19 AM » |
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lol Scott---yeah if the fish pass's straight thru the cone "bisects it" the arch will be bigger and more complete than one that one that passes thru 1/4 of the cone
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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2007, 07:15:59 PM » |
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